Leave it up to mainstream media to make an instant tree out of an acorn! (Not quite a play on the old idiom, but you get the point!) Slow news cycle? Hey, I can’t talk. I’m blogging about it!
Unless you were comatose yesterday, you probably heard Jesse Jackson say he wanted to cut out Barack Obama’s “nuts” because Jackson believes Obama was “talking down to black people” when he dared mention the need for morality in the black community. Funny, coming from an infanticide enthusiast like BHO, but…anyway, watch the clip:
Look, we all say things we don’t necessarily mean when we’re upset. Don’t judge Jackson too harshly over that. Judge him over his pro-abortion stance. Judge him over his race-baiting and camera-hogging. Judge this phony “man of God” over his media gluttony and attempts to make headlines at all costs. Judge him over his disingenuous concern about “the poor” and misplaced concern about thugs in prison.
Jackson and Obama are cut from the same cloth. They’re attention-loving, devoid-of-substance liberals who’re taken far too seriously. 
Update: Commenter Dianne writes: “I haven’t thought of either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as ‘Reverends’ for years. To me they’re both B list actors, bad ones at that.”
Later…There’s more? You’ve got your headlines now, “Reverend.”
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Really, it is a breath of fresh air to see someone speaking negative about King Obama, the next great savior. I don’t know what it is about this guy that everyone thinks is wonderful or that I feel a great reserve about. I also feel he acts as if he is black when in fact he is mixed- and African and white at that! There is a difference.
LaShawn, I love you, and I think you are spot on about the abortion issue, and the whole Obama phoniness.
I have to disagree with you just a bit about your take on this – we all say things we don’t really mean from time to time. Well, yes, that’s true. But I don’t go around, in a news studio no less, saying I want to cut someone’s nuts off. Comments like that are usually indicative of very deep antipathy.
Jessie might have peaked when he handled Bill Clinton’s atonement tour. Poor fellow, he has been sidelined for quite a while. His rent-a-mob tactic went nowhere with the Duke lacrosse mess. And he knows that Obama has stolen the limelight. What is a race bully to do with a fellow race huckster who outshines him?
At least Al Sharpton knows when to retreat to the ‘hood.
A tree out of an acorn? C’mon LaShawn, you’re much smarter than that!
C’mon, Dave, I’m working with old material, here!
For a moment …
A brief moment …
I thought you were going to cut Jesse some slack for just “sayin’ stuff” which we are all apt to do.
And there was a moment … but just a moment.
Then you lower the boom and WHAM! … Reality.
That’s why I am your biggest fan.
Jessie is just jealous cause Obama made it further than he could ever make it. Jessie is just an example of how blacks backstab each other. We just can’t seem to be happy for one another. Obama is right about the black men need to take responsiblility to their childen. Just like my son’s father (looser). He ran from his son for 15 yrs. I asked him for money for my son’s christmas when my son was 14 and was told that he has to pay a lawyer for a DUI. So I called Child support office and had them look up the DUI on my son’s father. And they served him while he was in court. If it weren’t for that we would have never caught him. From there he just became a income for us. Never a father, now my son sits in prison. But if his father would have been there for him my son’s life would be different. He wouldn’t even help pay for a lawyer to help my son’s case. My son really needed him growing up. Basically the same mistake my son made his father made the same. He wasn’t even man enough to be a father that would be a good influence in his life.
To help him not make the same mistakes he did. I know so many single black women raising their children by themselves. As a mater of fact my father had 30 children and never took care of any of them. When he died he was all alone. And left in his apartment for days before the Management realized something was wrong. Men you can run from your responsiblities but nothing will ever go right for you. Jessie i hope you’re taking care of that bastard you had while you were married.
So the point of this is the fact that he said something out of pocket about Senator Obama, not how many children he has out of wedlock.
If that is the case, then Bill Cosby is not only a heathen, but an adulterer but people ride his “jock” all the time.
Kinda sucks how he didn’t know the camera was rolling when he said that. He must be in one hell of a shock after that little statement being broad casted.
Jayne,
I’m not sure what you meant by “he acts as if he is black.” I’ll assume that you meant—he considers himself black/African-American.
And he is!
African/Black Americans come an array of hues because of miscegenation (pre/post slavery) among Africans brought to America with Europeans and Native Americans. That is why Black/African-Americans are as light as Harold Ford, Colin Powell and as dark as Clarence Thomas and Michael Jordan.
Remember, Jesse knocked up a woman (one of his staffers) back in 2001 and fathered a daughter out of wedlock. Then his Coalition paid $15k in moving expenses for the mother and $over $300k to buy her a home. I hope Jesse is keeping up the $3k a month in Child Support or they will hunt him down and throw him in jail! Jesse is the last person to comment in morality!
Trashy.
A couple more thoughts. First, O’Reilly says that he has HELD BACK the most offensive comments. Why? Would they do that for, say, Rev. Dobson? Karl Rove? Bob Dole?
Second,borrowing a page from the liberal left’s Official Book of Code Words, isn’t threatening the castration of a black male . . . racist? Again, if a white former presidential candidate had made these comments, they would not be trying to downplay it, as they are now.
“A tree from an acorn.” How appropriate is that statement? Very, in this case.
I can think of another statement that holds even more importance. “You will know them by the fruit that they bare.”
Jesse Jackson has been dropping rotten fruit for a while. No need to downplay reality. In this clip we see live and in color the reality that the “movement” has become.
The Tom Joyners and Russ Parrs of the world can spin this from now until the next “hot mic” session, but the truth has a funny way of returning to punch you straight in the mouth.
Jesse Jackson and those like him need to go the way of the T-Rex. I think that the relevancy question has been answered loud and clear.
As a black man, this cat does not speak for me. Obama does not, either.
Thanks for opportunity to post LaShawn.
This rift between Jesse and the Messiah won’t last. Remember a similar dustup between William Jefferson Clinton (he who was dubbed America’s first black president) and the Reverend over Sister Souljah in the 1992 election? When Clinton’s pants-down presidency was in trouble, Jesse rode to the rescue.
I predict that something similar will happen when the Messiah runs His administration onto the rocks.
La Shawn,
If any white male had made this comment, there would be indignation expressed, as much as over Imus’ remarks. I did not and do not listen to Imus. Obama is too far left from my point of view but Rev Jesse Jackson’s comments against Obama’s comments which were for a father’s duty. The establishment media seems to think that there is one black viewpoint and gets someone to express it.
James M. Barber
The motivation behind Jesse Jackson’s comments is the same as it has been for many generations in the Black diaspora. Jealousy exists if Whites appear to be favoring one Black over another, and Jesse has proven that he’s no different than many.
As for what Jane Flynn says above (”I also feel he acts as if he is black when in fact he is mixed- and African and white at that! There is a difference.”): Get educated! Throughout American history, in order to maintain the slavery/underclassman status of Blacks, Whites have determined that one drop of Black blood makes a person Black. In modern times, any bi-racial person becomes a member of the community he prefers simply by acting like, and interacting with, the members of that community.
Barack Obama scares this country because he’s an educated and productive member of the American society and not meeting the stereotypical frame of a “real” Black person. Would American prefer him to show up for his speeches in baggy jeans and carrying a boom box?
I’m sure that, if Jesse had said the same about McCain, the MSM would be applauding rather than treating it as a blasphemy.
Jesse Jackson in one of his moments of complete stupidity
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Isn’t his entire life one big moment of complete stupidity?
Candace,
Barack scares ME because he’s a liberal who’s blackness has become a cause celebre on it’s own without consideration of his fitness for the office he seeks.
Let me be frank for a moment. Obama’s meteoric rise to political dominance in his party has made him the biggest affirmative action baby in American history. His resume is decidedly short and shallow for someone with a 50/50 chance of becoming one of, if not THE most powerful figures in the world.
It has nothing to do with Affirmative Action, yet there is nothing more unflattering than being referred to as an “affirmative action baby”, so you non-white and white women on this blog could be understandably insulted, if that is truly the case.
It’s because he looks good, has a form of godliness, talks a good game, and came at a time when people are wholly disillusioned, and frustrated with previously established political representation.
And though Jesse Jackson is out of pocket for what he said, his words rang true, and he DOESN’T talk down or condescend white people.
When Barack Obama talks to mainstream Americans he talks about jobs, the economy, oil, gas prices, and religion – WHETHER you agree with his positions or not.
When he addresses non-whites he has seem to lately, signify and lecture, PARTICULARLY in places where they don’t NEED lecturing.
His Father’s Day speech was a foolish ignorant rapturous mess that he had NO business doing since he was speaking to a body of believers who were on the RIGHT side of personal and corporate (Church) responsbility. Then after he finished running off at the mouth, he asked for prayer, and then left.
This recent situation was as unnecessary and two-faced as all get out. He’s liberal, but he sure comes off like the typical conservative intellectual racialist and nationalist by some of the things he says. Imagine if he moves even further to the center and heaven forbid anywhere near the right, he’ll be talking like non-whites and other ethnic minorities like dogs with the thinly veiled scientific racist bent. No, he better just shut up, or he’s going to lose a lot of the votes he already takes for granted. Contemporary Democrats are just as presumptuous regarding non-whites as too many of their counterparts on the other side of the aisle are reprobate and pitiless.
Moreover, the students in question are not necessarily dummies that you come in and put on blast, either!
Hillgrove High School in Powder Springs GA ratings by Subgroup:
http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/ga/3781#ghsgt_subgroup
McKeachern High School, Powder Springs GA by subgroups:
http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/ga/506#ghsgt_subgroup
Cobb County School district test ratings:
http://www.cobb.k12.ga.us/news/2008/20080604_GHSGT.htm
And for the record Barack Obama is NOT a so-called “black leader” either, and technically neither are Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. There ARE NO “black” leaders, just like there are no “white” leaders, because NONE of them truly care about ALL Americans, but are partisan friends of Mephistopheles.
LaShawn,
Here’s my contribution to this debate:
http://www.fromthepen.com/jackson_obama_balls.html
Jesse Jackson just made it painfully obvious that he’s the flake that he is – to his own party! And one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen him do … getting caught putting his hand in the cookie jar!
And another thing, non-whites had better get ready if this man gets elected, because these messages are not just for non-whites, but for whites as well.
It’s the condescending “personal responsibility” message given to non-whites which give comfort to whites who believe that nearly all of the problems in the “black” communities are because of them being..
Angry (all)
Oversexed (females)
Irresponsible (all)
Victim mentality (all)
Emotionally immature (all)
Violent (males)
Lacking intelligence (all)
This message STILL might get this man elected, and that is the saddest part of it all..
I haven’t thought of either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as “Reverends” for years. To me they’re both B list actors, bad ones at that.
It’s condecending for Barack to preach to blacks about responsibility?? That is one of THE biggest problems some blacks have..the LACK of taking responsibility for the situation they are in instead of blaming ‘ the white man ‘ for all their problems. Somebody NEEDS to preach about responsibility, fatherhood, etc, because blacks darn sure need to hear it.
As soon as a black person starts saying something else besides the normal race baiting, give us handouts kind of stuff that the Jesse Jackson types rant about, blacks dont know what to do.
Some of us dont know what to think of a black man who isnt some radical Malcom X type, who is intelligent, well spoken, and appeals to people of ALL races, NOT just blacks. Oh boy..we arent use to that, are we??
Jesse Jackson was never anything more than a stereotypical ignorant, race baiting black man with a big mouth. As for Obama, like him or hate him..and win or lose the presidency..he has reached heights that Jackson never will.
Denise
Uh..
“It’s condecending for Barack to preach to blacks about responsibility?? That is one of THE biggest problems some blacks have..the LACK of taking responsibility for the situation they are in instead of blaming ‘ the white man ‘ for all their problems. Somebody NEEDS to preach about responsibility, fatherhood, etc, because blacks darn sure need to hear it.”
You didn’t read my post in context, did you? In my ministry we talk about godliness and personal responsibility in more vivid and precise terms to ALL people under our care. He was preaching to the choir, firstly, and doing it for the exact reasons I stated, which I stand by. I could give an itemized list of things that ALL American males fall short on that would make you blush, poster.
Denise says:
“As soon as a black person starts saying something else besides the normal race baiting, give us handouts kind of stuff that the Jesse Jackson types rant about, blacks dont know what to do.”
In all due respect, you’re not talking about ME, and again, my sentiments stand. I could talk about WHITE and NON-WHITE males and females and give you book, chapter and verse, in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, and Syriac that would put them on blast in ways that the Senator could NEVER do, seeing as he is a marginal believer, and wholly unlearned in scriptural holiness.
Denise says:
“Some of us dont know what to think of a black man who isnt some radical Malcom X type, who is intelligent, well spoken, and appeals to people of ALL races, NOT just blacks. Oh boy..we arent use to that, are we??”
MY people are righteous without shame, spiritually on point, and could give ANY man a run for his money regarding matters in this culturally and spiritually depraved society.
Denise says:
“Jesse Jackson was never anything more than a stereotypical ignorant, race baiting black man with a big mouth. As for Obama, like him or hate him..and win or lose the presidency..he has reached heights that Jackson never will.”
You can call Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as many names as you want. I don’t care, they are not MY people or MY leaders anyhow. I can run down a list of rebuffs about them, as well as Jeremiah Wright, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Joel Olsteen, Billy Graham, and any other lawless mainstream preacher, liberal OR conservative.
I said that Barack Obama was off-point and I meant that, and I don’t care who doesn’t like it. He’s doing exactly what I said he was.
Raising righteous boys into men is what we do, and that’s more than ANY of the aforementioned me even KNOW how to do.
Diane says:
“I haven’t thought of either Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton as “Reverends” for years. To me they’re both B list actors, bad ones at that.”
No MAN is and ever was “Reverend”. That’s the lawless and scripturally and spiritually out of line sentiment that promotes the ideologies of Nicolaitus.
Only Master Y’Shua is “Reverend” of ALL, and Father Yahweh is Father of ALL. No man in heaven and earth is worthy of EITHER of those titles.
My 15 year old daughter knows more about Biblical history, context, and application than either of those two.
And why are you defending Barack Obama on a conservative blog?
Shouldn’t you be running him down like everyone else?
FYI:
“Reverend” is an adjective, not a noun.
It is an adjective denoting WORTH, and a noun denoting STATUS or position.
If what you DO is who you ARE, and you take pride in that, then who can say otherwise?
If they are do not hold the office of Pastor, then all they are is “preachers” and “ministers” as ALL are called to be, but they don’t even do that, and that is what’s so ironic.
Martin Luther King, Jr. though he was a 1960’s Christian preacher, at least used scripture to make his case for the cause at that time.
There’s no use arguing with THEBIGDODDY. He’s got it all figured out.
Gabe–
I know you can’t tell him anything. I thought other people might want to know.
I’VE got it figured all out?
I’m sure there are plenty of things that you have a much fuller understanding of than I do.
People are just different in their understanding about matters. Didn’t Jeremiah Wright say that “different does not mean DEFICIENT”.
Once mainstream American realize that people of my persuasion are different, but no less productive and righteous, then they may actually receive the godly graces that they so long for.
They don’t obey the Father or know anything about spiritual protocol, but they quote and hunger for everything that Ann Coulter, Thomas Sowell, or Michelle Malkin says, of whom know less about being people of faith.
Now you all, it was already Tacky.. are you shooting for Trashy too..?
You all only reserve you disdain for liberal democrats, Marxists, non-whites, abortionists, homosexuals, and criminals.
I am NONE of the those at all except non-white. I thought ya’ll appreciated “blacks” who were not whacko lefties?
I am LOVIN’ having LaShawn dive back into politics on this blog!
I wish non-black people would stop trying to mixed race people who choose to identify as black. Please shut up.
I haven’t stopped by this blog in a while. I’m kinda glad about that. That said, I’ve got to say something here. When I see the petty bickering between whites and blacks, I have to give pause and think how the Elites must be laughing. Surely it must seem quite humorous that the oldest political trick divide and conquer STILL WORKS. While ALL of us are debating, who is right wing and who is left wing, they have consolodated all the power onto themselves. Understand loud and clear, politics only keeps the masses divided. At the top, the ruling Elite do not see any political distinction. They use the hagaliean dialectic to use political paradigms that benefit only themselves. Wake up people. The left and the right are just wedges to keep us seperate. Barrack Obama and John McCain are the same! Barrack Obama is blood related to many Elites and so is John McCain. Don’t believe me? Research it yourself. Bush, is related to Obama, McCain, Kerry, The Queen, Princess Di, Abe Lincoln, Cheney, Vlad Dracul and many more. These Elites are ALL working in conjunction. Regardless who wins, we lose. We need to start being more brotherly and sisterly to each other regardless of political, social, racial, geographical differences and then real change will begin. Good Luck
La Shawn,
This is 6th grade playground talk, isn’t it? (Actually, and sadly, these days, this may be 4th grade or earlier playground talk.)
And following that thought is this one: Does this remind you of a 6th grade election for Class President? Where are the adults?
Does this campaign even rise to the level of sophistication of the auditions and elections in the “High School Musical”s?
Oh, and the adults are there, and the gangs, with their intentions and tools of violence and intimidation, but they are well concealed in the surrounding neighborhood, until the time comes.
Do we have any adults of our own?
I think you mean the Hegelian Dialectic.
It’s not THEY (imperialists, elitists) who use this as a tool against people, but it’s humanity that has evolved into a bunch of “natural born haters”. (I read a woman use that on another message board. I love it!)
Moreover it’s not as much (surely there is) ideological conflict that creates divisive constructs, but it’s merely what the the Prophet Jeremiah says about the HEART of mankind being deceitfully wicked, and what Paul said about people not being able to do right, as much as they WANT to.
THEBIGDODDY-Your right I meant the Hegelian Dialectic. That’s what I get for not using spell check. That said, I think you do a disservice to mankind to say we are natural born haters. I believe that love is the most natural aspect of humanity. Viewing hate as mankinds natural condition is verrry scenical. When we are born it is love that sustains us. Love from our mothers and fathers drives them to care, feed, clothe and nurture us. Where is the hate? A baby does not know hate. A baby is taught hate as is all mankind. The Elite pit us against each other. We fight, hate and disagree all the while losing our LIBERTY. You can chose to think its just because we are born to hate. I see a more sinster hand at play manipulating us from behind the scenes. LOVE IS NATURAL. All this hate IS NOT NATURAL.
Good point Greg.. allow me to share just a second.
The term “hater” initially originated as an urban slang term. It doesn’t mean hate as in godly or ungodly hate, it means anything from jealousy to poor self esteem..
When it went mainstream (meaning, when white people started using it), it’s LITERAL use became prevalent.
So when you hear non-whites use the term “hater”, they don’t mean you HATE THEIR GUTS, it means you need to do YOU, and not worry about what OTHER people are doing, as long as they are not mistreating you or infringing upon your rights.
Hope that clears things up with that term, but that doesn’t negate the fact that people are not as good as they think they are. I’ve been exploring Cognitive Dissonance quite regularly on the heels of the rise of Barack Obama, and I see more ugliness (particularly from people of various faiths) than I see the beauty that only the Holiness of the Almighty can bring.
So it appears we are not on the same page somewhat.
Hey THEBIGDODDY, even though you see disagreement I see more agreement. I’m the opposite side of the SAME COIN. FYI, I’m non-white and I know the urban meaning of Hate and the classical meaning. I chose to defer to the classical meaning due to the fact that the urban usage of hate diminishes the true substance of this word. Your clearly a man of deep thoughts as am I. While you choose to see mans problems in a spiritual manner I choose to see them in a secular manner. That does not mean I don’t acknowledge the spiritual nature of mankinds issues. Trust and believe I am aware that we face enemies seen and unseen.
Just one point to all:
If you believe that someone with “one drop of black blood” is black and not of mixed race, you are agreeing with white racists and slave owners. How then do you have any credibility in condemning them?
A person who is of mixed race is of mixed race, no matter how they “identify” themselves. And a person of mixed race who identifies with either to the exclusion of the other is living a lie. It may be convenient, it may make you feel good, it may be politically correct–but it is a lie nevertheless.
LaShawn, I see a lot of propagandists hang out on your site, “black repubs” I presume. I thought you were changing your focus. Barack Obama will win in November and no he is not the savior, but will be a refreshing move in a positive direction for the country and yes the world.
Bussta, you have drunk the Koolaid, hate to say it. Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth constantly, and flip-flopping like there’s no tomorrow. It will be a sorry day if this anti-child guy wins the Whitehouse (and yes, I’m referring to his efforts to ditch babies born alive following abortion attempts. I can hardly believe the callousness….you think he couldn’t do it to others, if he’s willing to treat the most helpless like that??)
I wish non-black people would stop trying to mixed race people who choose to identify as black. Please shut up.[comment 41 by tiffany]
Yes…all you white people, out there, listen up and shut-up! I always like it when someone says “please” before they tell me to shut up.[I am still trying to figure out what white folks are supposed to stop trying to do to mixed race people, but it must be bad.]
Jibberish is jibberish even when you drop a few “intellectual” references in between non sequiturs.
The “white-people” and “non-black people” and “hater” and such identifiers are each a stark indication that bias surely follows. The edge between bias and bigotry is not easily distinguished in some of this jibberish.
Long ago, I learned that those who play the bully about terminology and demand their usage be the benchmark for debate are not really interested in discussion; they are imposing their point of view. You can stand on any street corner as ask for “points of view” and you will soon meet more hacks and intellectual derelicts than you can count.
2010 will bring another pitiful census when millions of “mixed” people will be forced to get classified for a spot on various “victims” lists and become fodder for the grievance mongers.
Is this nation nothing more than “the white people” v. every other possibility? And why do the abortionists prey heaviest on the “non-whites”?
I have long been fascinated by the rewriting of the vernacular that is so endemic in society. Sadly, it is virtually always the case that those who assign their own interpretation of words demand that everyone fall in line. This leads to condemnation of those who used newly coded words, whether they intended to have the same meaning or not. Most often, this process is used as a political cudgel.
When one balks at having one’s own words interpreted wrongly, the bullying is rather appalling. One finds oneself being told that someone else knows what one really meant OR that one is obviously backtracking.
Then, tawdry, destructive name-calling ensues. The irony is how much of this is done in the name of tolerance.
I read you loud and clear, heliotrope, and jb.
The bottom line is if you’re not interested in producing justice and correctness at all times in all places in the known universe for all people without exception; then your objections to the LOGIC (or lack thereof) is meaningless, at least to me.
When I’M online, I’m looking to see who is INTERESTED in doing such (promoting righteous and justice for ALL people and if they align themselves with those do) and engage, when I choose, appropriately.
Words are tools, and you (heliotrope) and you (jb) have the right to use them as you choose, but regardless of the words YOU use, if you’re not interested in producing the aforementioned justice that I spoke of, in REAL life, then personally I don’t care what you say or think.
Discussion is cool, I enjoy it, but what has already been determined, from our limited dialog, is that you and I don’t feel the same about spiritual matters, nor about ALL people in G-d’s creation. As such, any battle of wills OR words on this page, or in THIS life, is futile is it not? Seriously, if we don’t serve the same Master or feel the same about His people, then ???? (what, why, duh…) huh??? You know?
But your disapproval is duly noted. Thanks.
Greg says:
“While you choose to see mans problems in a spiritual manner I choose to see them in a secular manner. That does not mean I don’t acknowledge the spiritual nature of mankinds issues. Trust and believe I am aware that we face enemies seen and unseen.”
Pedat says:
Very true, and I appreciate your thoughts on that, especially the “seen and unseen”.
THEBIGDODDY,
You have just proven how inadequate assumptions are. I had not read any of your comments and my piece had utterly nothing to do with anything you may or may not have said.
I popped over to this site and saw a comment from Helio at the bottom. As a long-time fan of his gracious, erudite, and incisive comments, I decided to respond. You were never in the mix.
The fact that you could say -”from our limited dialog, is that you and I don’t feel the same about spiritual matters, nor about ALL people in G-d’s creation” – is frankly, ridiculous.
jb says:
“The fact that you could say -”from our limited dialog, is that you and I don’t feel the same about spiritual matters, nor about ALL people in G-d’s creation” – is frankly, ridiculous.”
Pedat says:
Hmm. Fair enough. I humbly retract and exclude your name as being a contributor to statements that prompted my response.
As far as your conclusion that my statement was “ridiculous”. I find that to be just as “inaccurate” as you find my assumption to be “inadequate”, based on what I’ve been reading on these blogs.
BIGDODDY,
Thank you for the retraction as it is always preferable to be bashed AFTER saying something bashable….
However, I would just note that making a blanket assumption of such proportions [ie. assumptive/sweeping judgments about people's innermost spiritual lives and how they view/exhibit compassion for their fellow man based on a few comments] strikes me as far more flawed than merely being “inaccurate.”
Having read Helio’s comments for a couple of years, now, I can only say that you would do well to truly listen to what he says, not what you might think he means given the template you have imposed.
Whew! Color me confused. Let’s “frisk” this stuff.
THEBIGDODDY in #54: The bottom line is if you’re not interested in producing justice and correctness at all times in all places in the known universe for all people without exception; then your objections to the LOGIC (or lack thereof) is meaningless, at least to me.
Hello? I am in favor of heaven on earth and throughout the universe. “(T)hen your objections to the LOGIC (or lack thereof) is meaningless, at least to me.” I have no clue what this means. THEBIGDODDY insists that one must be “interested in producing justice and correctness at all times in all places in the known universe for all people without exception” to be of interest to him. Frankly, that is too big an order for me or anyone I have ever met or known.
THEBIGDODDY in #54: “When I’M online, I’m looking to see who is INTERESTED in doing such (promoting righteous and justice for ALL people and if they align themselves with those do) and engage, when I choose, appropriately.”
Am I hearing a voice from on high here? Believe me, THEBIGDODDY, you told me to butt out, and I have.
THEBIGDODDY in #54: Words are tools, and you (heliotrope) and you (jb) have the right to use them as you choose, but regardless of the words YOU use, if you’re not interested in producing the aforementioned justice that I spoke of, in REAL life, then personally I don’t care what you say or think.
I am totally fine with your pronouncement. I can not speak for jb. But understand this, THEBIGDODDY, when you read my comments, please do not strut your pride by flattering yourself that you are the star of my musings.
THEBIGDODDY in #54: Discussion is cool, I enjoy it, but what has already been determined, from our limited dialog, is that you and I don’t feel the same about spiritual matters, nor about ALL people in G-d’s creation. As such, any battle of wills OR words on this page, or in THIS life, is futile is it not? Seriously, if we don’t serve the same Master or feel the same about His people, then ???? (what, why, duh…) huh??? You know?
You have discovered my spiritual heart? You know how I feel about ALL people? Your race to judgement about my soul is breath taking.
Well, two can play this game. THEBIGDODDY has an invisible man (Pedat) who pops up and speaks. THEBIGDODDY decides what has meaning and what does not. THEBIGDODDY has an unstated litmus test by which he decides who is worthy and who is not. THEBIGDODDY does not require the thoughts of others. THEBIGDODDY is the judge and jury of who is spiritually on target and who is……….
At this point, my opinion is that if the THEBIGDODDY has issues.
I apologize to LaShawn for entering into this needless skirmish. I do not like having my character impugned, but I am always circumspect about whether the one calling names is a troll, an eccentric or running on an unpredictable mainspring. In this strange exchange, I suspect there may be delusions of grandeur that motivates such hostility toward strangers.
My post (#52) about jibberish (gibberish) is clearly stated. I find it fascinating that people talk about “white people” and “non-black people” and “haters” as if the world is such a simple place and we are all so easily sorted out and identified. As always, I stand ready to be educated.
Helio,
Have you noticed how often folks – thankfully not you, to be clear – think that we are having a dialogue about who is more “compassionate” when the dialogue is actually about who has the better solution. The compassion conversation is usually pointless and simply an exercise in preening and back-patting. Ugh! Seldom does a true dialogue about solutions ever get developed. I suppose it is hard to focus outward when one is so busy focusing inward [which is why feelings are so overvalued in our society].
C’mon people. Who is up in here talking about “compassion” and “feelings”? Really now.
And whether either of you, or I, believe that feelings or compassion is given more credence than deserved is DEBATABLE. Some could say the same about LOVE, or MERCY, or SEX. It’s all debatable, is it not?
Now as far as “feelings” are concerned, I can’t say that I ever cared about either of yours, to be clear.
But to ‘jb’s point about their “value”…I believe that like a lot of things, IT JUST DEPENDS. Which is why what ‘jb’ says is poignant to some degree…and I find agreement with, and have taught bible believers, and other Christians over the years to which they should take heed to:
Father Yahweh doesn’t care about your feelings. He only cares that those who are saved, be CONFORMED to the IMAGE of His Son, Y’Shua the Messiah of all mankind.
The only compassion that was ever promoted, via concession OR commandment was to OTHER BELIEVERS (within our outside the fold) or those estranged, to the widows, orphans, and impoverished due to the spoils of war.
Moreover, even without consensus, compassion and feelings, being allegedly overrated, produce nothing when replaced with callousness, selfishness, mean-spiritedness, railings, gossiping, backstabbing, backbiting, bewitching, cowardice, and I’ll ADD – just being a sorry, no good, sycophant who is unwilling to diverge on issues regarding mankind in general without acting like a punk and a sissy – in ANY context.
Thanks heliotrope, I’ll modify my previous list in #28
Angry (all)
Oversexed (females)
Irresponsible (all)
Victim mentality (all)
Emotionally immature (all)
Violent (males)
Lacking intelligence (all)
HOSTILITY TOWARDS STRANGERS (Pedat Ebediyah, as uncovered by the “colorful” observation of the respondent known as “Heliotrope”)
jb,
“Having read Helio’s comments for a couple of years, now, I can only say that you would do well to truly listen to what he says, not what you might think he means given the template you have imposed.”
Pedat says:
Why? What has heliotrope said that I should take heed to? Now, don’t insult me sir!
I’m just as disinclined to heed HIM as HE is to heed me.
Is this a THINK TANK? If it is, someone please clue a brotha IN on it so I can start taking notes on what YOU say here to your man Heliotrope here in #60.
“Ugh! Seldom does a true dialogue about solutions ever get developed.”
Show me the true dialogue about SOLUTIONS to [whatever you want to dialogue about] has taken place on this blog.
All ya’ll do is talk about so-called liberals and non-whites and others who won’t accept YOUR brand of social and fiscal conservative ideology like dogs and you all have the UNMITIGATED GALL to talk about ME being hostile????
Tell me what you STAND FOR, and if what you STAND FOR is AKIN to wanting a system of justice that doesn’t mistreat anyone with the goal of seeing to it that people who truly need help get that help, and that those who prey on the innocent and helpless via either violence or deceit be punished to the fullest extent of the laws of the land, which should ultimately the Law of Yahweh the god of ALL mankind, then I’m right >>>>here<<<<<< with you, but if not then let us <<<<>>>> and the matter with either of you being snide, in the guise of informed intellectualism, when you don’t give a hoot about anyone but people who look and think like you. You dig?
jb,
I totally agree. The post that all of this back and forth is hanging onto is about the exposure of Jesse Jackson’s inner thoughts.
When I scan the life of Jessie Jackson, it is very hard to make much of a pile of his good works. What is worse, though, is that it is so hard to put aside the mountain of his self-serving and mean works in order to find his other side.
As you well know, I greatly value my faith. However, we live in a representative democracy where folks draw their value systems from far flung sources.
Having contests over process or compassion or feelings is all so self centered. If we can address the problem and ask ourselves the basic questions, the process, opportunity for compassion and feelings will follow.
Jessie Jackson, like many other “leaders” makes himself an obstacle rather than a willing partner in problem solving.
And so while we’re clearing things up, you say this:
“My post (#52) about jibberish (gibberish) is clearly stated. I find it fascinating that people talk about “white people” and “non-black people” and “haters” as if the world is such a simple place and we are all so easily sorted out and identified. As always, I stand ready to be educated.”
Educated about WHAT? You KNOW that the world is NOT a simple place (though full of simple people), so why go there? And the people who used those terms (me being one) also know that things are complicated and that things are not always what they seem. What’s wrong with acknowledging reality and moving towards PARITY for ALL?
The movement often requires discarding foolishness, speaking truth to power when expedient, and I’ll ADD (because that’s MY proclivity) PRESSING TOWARDS THE MARK of the HIGH calling of Y’Shua my Master.
Jesse Jackson is YOUR “leader” and he, by multitudes of confessions, is not the leader of a majority of non-whites either.
But I’m curious…outside of his PERSONAL sins, what are the MEAN works that he has done that has even had the POTENTIAL to negatively effect you personally, other than you just don’t agree with his choice, method, or means to attempt to produce justice on behalf of non-whites?
His MEAN works have influence NO policies that would cause distress to you or any other white person on the face of this earth.
And I say that being one who has little respect for him, Al Sharpton or any so-called “Reverend” of any race, creed, or religion.
I can give you tons of my other personal reasons, but I’m curious is to why YA’LL don’t like Jesse Jackson?
Correction to #66..
“Jesse Jackson is [NOT] YOUR “leader”…”
Heliotrope, in all honesty, I’m really becoming intrigued by you. You say:
“If we can address the problem and ask ourselves the basic questions, the process, opportunity for compassion and feelings will follow.”
Have you ever sat in on a Congressional Hearing? I have.
Ever been to a City Council meeting? I have.
Ever been to a murder trial or child custody hearing? Again, I have.
You see I don’t know what YOU see as problems, but I’ll tell you that if people want to make Abortion and Homosexuality a battle that the GOVERNMENT should fight, for WHOMEVER, for WHATEVER reason, then that’s a problem in and of itself. I’m don’t have sex with men, and I don’t have people who sleep with people of the same sex in my circle either. None of us have aborted a baby, and if any of the younger ones got pregnant with the means to responsibly care for it then, looks like someone is going to be a new Nana or Papa, cause that baby will just go home with someone else.
MOST of the problems that we have in society today is a result of the disintegration of the extended family, not only due to people packing up and leaving for the suburbs or to warmer climates, or simply to be free spirits who go backpacking across the Andes, but because of a lack of familial devotion and solidarity. And marriage is key. It’s quite simple, strong marriages make for strong families and strong families make for strong communities, cities, counties, states.. and yada yada blabbaty blah blah.
SO.. the question is, how can we preserve families? And I’ll tell you that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is only ONE aspect of the equation.
What, I ask you, Heliotrope and JB, are the other aspects of that equation..
AND
What other SPECIFIC problems need to be solved, since you were the ones who mentioned problems and solutions?
Oh.. and the reason that I mentioned having attended those events (hearings, meetings, court) is because I can honestly say that I observed nothing POSITIVE or PRODUCTIVE about 90% of the time I was there.
So my point is and always I impart to young people is that if you want to see justice and correctness, then stay away from Principals office, out of jail, away from City Hall, out of Human Resources, and don’t engage too closely with their agents except to remind them of the primary purpose of their existence.
THEBIGDODDY: I am not your toy. I strongly question whether you can show common respect or conduct an honest, open dialog. I am quite satisfied to have encountered and moved past your unique psyche.
Engage others, if they will play your games. Perhaps you can build a following of readers who are fascinated with your ego-centric diatribes. But you really should do it on your own blog, rather than trying to hijack space from LaShawn. Have a good day.
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