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		<title>By: Andrew Hoerner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95190</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hoerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms. Barber--

Thank you for your courteous response. My apologies for the mistaken &quot;Mr.&quot; There was no obvious photo on the blog page to which i responded, and the &quot;Shawn&quot;s in my own life have been male.

I agree that the article to which you refer is confusing, as it puts together two separate reports released by two different organizations on two different days into a single article without a sharp distinction between them. This is all the more confusing as the speech by Congressman James Clyburn appears to refer to both reports at different times. However, the quotation from the article copied below, if carefully read, does establish that the reports and organizations are distinct.

&quot;Clyburn spoke at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., to help launch the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change, a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.

The launch came on the heels of a separate report by the Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative (EJCC), which claims African-Americans are more vulnerable to the effects of climate change.&quot;

Most sincerely, 
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms. Barber&#8211;</p>
<p>Thank you for your courteous response. My apologies for the mistaken &#8220;Mr.&#8221; There was no obvious photo on the blog page to which i responded, and the &#8220;Shawn&#8221;s in my own life have been male.</p>
<p>I agree that the article to which you refer is confusing, as it puts together two separate reports released by two different organizations on two different days into a single article without a sharp distinction between them. This is all the more confusing as the speech by Congressman James Clyburn appears to refer to both reports at different times. However, the quotation from the article copied below, if carefully read, does establish that the reports and organizations are distinct.</p>
<p>&#8220;Clyburn spoke at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., to help launch the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change, a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies.</p>
<p>The launch came on the heels of a separate report by the Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative (EJCC), which claims African-Americans are more vulnerable to the effects of climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most sincerely,<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95162</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MR Barber? Wow. I really have to change that photo!

Thanks for commenting, Andrew. Since the article I cited called the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change &quot;a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies,&quot; I assumed the Joint Center had something to do with the related report.

So you&#039;re saying the Joint Center has nothing to do with the report, didn&#039;t provide any research/resources, nothing? It does not endorse the report (rhetorical - obviously it does endorse the report) or sponsor the Initiative? If not, I will correct the record.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MR Barber? Wow. I really have to change that photo!</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting, Andrew. Since the article I cited called the Commission to Engage African-Americans on Climate Change &#8220;a project of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies,&#8221; I assumed the Joint Center had something to do with the related report.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying the Joint Center has nothing to do with the report, didn&#8217;t provide any research/resources, nothing? It does not endorse the report (rhetorical &#8211; obviously it does endorse the report) or sponsor the Initiative? If not, I will correct the record.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Hoerner</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95160</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Hoerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Barber:

I am one of the authors of the report &quot;A Climate of Change: African Americans, Global Warming, and a Just Climate Policy in the U.S.&quot; Your account above contains three important inaccuracies. 

First, as to your title. we of course never make any such absurd claim. Weather plays no favorites. And yet, anyone who followed the aftermath of Katrina at all knows that the injuries caused by the hurricane fell disproportionately on African-Americans -- which we predicted, based on a combination of geographic and social factors, in a previous report issued a year _before_ Katrina occurred.

Second, this is not a report by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which had no connection with its production. The JCPES released an unrelated report surveying African-American attitudes on climate change at about the same time. The Climate of Change report was produced by the Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative, a coalition of 27 U.S. environmental justice, climate justice, religious, policy, and advocacy networks representing millions of individuals who want a  just and meaningful climate policy. 

Third, although some of the results in the report are driven by income, we have identified a number of areas where the impact of climate change or climate policy on African-Americans differs from the impact on non-Hispanic whites who are matched by income. These include different patterns of energy usage, geographic location, industry of employment, likelihood of being laid off in economic downturns, likelihood of receiving charitable assistance, and level of wealth. In these cases and many others, we have explicitly established that there are racial effects of an importance that is comparable to or greater than the income effect. In a few cases, such as the percentage of the population without insurance, we established a racial difference but did not have the time or resources to untangle racial and income effects. 

Two final comments. First, I assure you that nothing would please me more than to &quot;stop racializing everything.&quot; I am, in fact, somewhat puzzled as to why the differences between African-Americans and non-Hispanic whites that are not based on income are so consistent in aggravating harms relating to climate change and climate policy. However, this is the result that emerges from the data -- mainly official U.S. Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics data -- and I am not willing to mischaracterize or disguise it. That data shows beyond all reasonable doubt that, regardless of what we might prefer, race remains an important causal factor in distributional issues we analyzed.

And second, to the gentleman above who wanted to know &quot;Why are Hispanics excluded from this discussion?&quot; -- our analysis of the data on Hispanic-Americans is not yet complete, but preliminary results suggest that many of the same conclusions will apply, with a handful important differences.

Sincerely,
Andrew Hoerner
Director, Sustainable Economics Program
Redefining Progress</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Barber:</p>
<p>I am one of the authors of the report &#8220;A Climate of Change: African Americans, Global Warming, and a Just Climate Policy in the U.S.&#8221; Your account above contains three important inaccuracies. </p>
<p>First, as to your title. we of course never make any such absurd claim. Weather plays no favorites. And yet, anyone who followed the aftermath of Katrina at all knows that the injuries caused by the hurricane fell disproportionately on African-Americans &#8212; which we predicted, based on a combination of geographic and social factors, in a previous report issued a year _before_ Katrina occurred.</p>
<p>Second, this is not a report by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, which had no connection with its production. The JCPES released an unrelated report surveying African-American attitudes on climate change at about the same time. The Climate of Change report was produced by the Environmental Justice and Climate Change Initiative, a coalition of 27 U.S. environmental justice, climate justice, religious, policy, and advocacy networks representing millions of individuals who want a  just and meaningful climate policy. </p>
<p>Third, although some of the results in the report are driven by income, we have identified a number of areas where the impact of climate change or climate policy on African-Americans differs from the impact on non-Hispanic whites who are matched by income. These include different patterns of energy usage, geographic location, industry of employment, likelihood of being laid off in economic downturns, likelihood of receiving charitable assistance, and level of wealth. In these cases and many others, we have explicitly established that there are racial effects of an importance that is comparable to or greater than the income effect. In a few cases, such as the percentage of the population without insurance, we established a racial difference but did not have the time or resources to untangle racial and income effects. </p>
<p>Two final comments. First, I assure you that nothing would please me more than to &#8220;stop racializing everything.&#8221; I am, in fact, somewhat puzzled as to why the differences between African-Americans and non-Hispanic whites that are not based on income are so consistent in aggravating harms relating to climate change and climate policy. However, this is the result that emerges from the data &#8212; mainly official U.S. Census and Bureau of Labor Statistics data &#8212; and I am not willing to mischaracterize or disguise it. That data shows beyond all reasonable doubt that, regardless of what we might prefer, race remains an important causal factor in distributional issues we analyzed.</p>
<p>And second, to the gentleman above who wanted to know &#8220;Why are Hispanics excluded from this discussion?&#8221; &#8212; our analysis of the data on Hispanic-Americans is not yet complete, but preliminary results suggest that many of the same conclusions will apply, with a handful important differences.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Andrew Hoerner<br />
Director, Sustainable Economics Program<br />
Redefining Progress</p>
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		<title>By: THEBIGDODDY</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95130</link>
		<dc:creator>THEBIGDODDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24, I don&#039;t know why you said &quot;laudable&quot; as there is absolutely no virtue in this permutation of the Global Warming message, and even less in the dialog about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24, I don&#8217;t know why you said &#8220;laudable&#8221; as there is absolutely no virtue in this permutation of the Global Warming message, and even less in the dialog about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95128</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World Ends: Poor Hardest Hit</description>
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		<title>By: Tyrone</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95123</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems only natural that liberals would use blacks as the post childs  for yet another one of their special interest causes. Peta used the issue of slavery of blacks to promote how animals were being treated. Gay rights organizations tried to compare their quest for &quot;gay marriage&quot; to that of the &quot;civil rights&quot; movement. Illegal immigration groups have used the black cause of civil rights to push their agenda as well, and now the ecco freaks are pimping how the poor down trodden black folks will be adversely impacted more then any other group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems only natural that liberals would use blacks as the post childs  for yet another one of their special interest causes. Peta used the issue of slavery of blacks to promote how animals were being treated. Gay rights organizations tried to compare their quest for &#8220;gay marriage&#8221; to that of the &#8220;civil rights&#8221; movement. Illegal immigration groups have used the black cause of civil rights to push their agenda as well, and now the ecco freaks are pimping how the poor down trodden black folks will be adversely impacted more then any other group.</p>
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		<title>By: The Urban Scientist</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95117</link>
		<dc:creator>The Urban Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, you&#039;re right.  This report should have said Poor People.  Discussing the impacts on subgroups - black, native, urban, etc, would have been very appropriate.

2nd, the topic of getting more black people (in general) and poor black people who are disproportionately impacted  by environmental stuff is a laudable mission.  One of biggest peeves with &quot;black&quot; action groups is that they only talk about and rally their constituents over &quot;Black Issues&quot;.  Social justice Groups like NAACP, NUL, and others completetely overlook important topics like environmental conservation, climate change, etc.  They come off as only caring about their issues and not national or global issues.  Now that someone has connected the race-related dots to climate change to them,  Now they jump into the fray....Social justice is social justice..these topics should be on the fore all of the time.

I&#039;ve posted on this topic before. http://sciedsociety.blogspot.com/2007/04/why-understanding-science-matters.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, you&#8217;re right.  This report should have said Poor People.  Discussing the impacts on subgroups &#8211; black, native, urban, etc, would have been very appropriate.</p>
<p>2nd, the topic of getting more black people (in general) and poor black people who are disproportionately impacted  by environmental stuff is a laudable mission.  One of biggest peeves with &#8220;black&#8221; action groups is that they only talk about and rally their constituents over &#8220;Black Issues&#8221;.  Social justice Groups like NAACP, NUL, and others completetely overlook important topics like environmental conservation, climate change, etc.  They come off as only caring about their issues and not national or global issues.  Now that someone has connected the race-related dots to climate change to them,  Now they jump into the fray&#8230;.Social justice is social justice..these topics should be on the fore all of the time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted on this topic before. <a href="http://sciedsociety.blogspot.com/2007/04/why-understanding-science-matters.html" rel="nofollow">http://sciedsociety.blogspot.com/2007/04/why-understanding-science-matters.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conflation of &quot;black&quot; and &quot;poor&quot; really disturbs me, and we see it so often in the news and in baloney like this. Yes, I realize there are statistical disparities in economic status between races, but simply making the equation &quot;black&quot; = &quot;poor&quot; is simply untrue -- it contributes to stereotypes and does *no one* any good. (I&#039;m so sure the best way to help poor black people improve their standard of living is to tell them they&#039;re poor because they&#039;re black, and, well, since ya&#039; can&#039;t change that...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conflation of &#8220;black&#8221; and &#8220;poor&#8221; really disturbs me, and we see it so often in the news and in baloney like this. Yes, I realize there are statistical disparities in economic status between races, but simply making the equation &#8220;black&#8221; = &#8220;poor&#8221; is simply untrue &#8212; it contributes to stereotypes and does *no one* any good. (I&#8217;m so sure the best way to help poor black people improve their standard of living is to tell them they&#8217;re poor because they&#8217;re black, and, well, since ya&#8217; can&#8217;t change that&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom TB</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95113</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom TB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15. Trish &quot;That has to be the longest ten years in history.&quot; Then, &quot;they&quot; told us we were entering the next ice age, but some of the same &quot;theys&quot; later said no, it was global warming, and now the &quot;theys&quot; are clever enough to call it &quot;climate change&quot;; covers all bases. We Humans don&#039;t control the thermostat of God&#039;s creation, and polar bears routinely swim 20 miles or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15. Trish &#8220;That has to be the longest ten years in history.&#8221; Then, &#8220;they&#8221; told us we were entering the next ice age, but some of the same &#8220;theys&#8221; later said no, it was global warming, and now the &#8220;theys&#8221; are clever enough to call it &#8220;climate change&#8221;; covers all bases. We Humans don&#8217;t control the thermostat of God&#8217;s creation, and polar bears routinely swim 20 miles or more.</p>
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		<title>By: THEBIGDODDY</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95109</link>
		<dc:creator>THEBIGDODDY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is &quot;they&quot;?

You MEAN James Clyburn, right?  He&#039;s the only THEY in this equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is &#8220;they&#8221;?</p>
<p>You MEAN James Clyburn, right?  He&#8217;s the only THEY in this equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark La Roi</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95108</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark La Roi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIDS, Global Warming...they just won&#039;t stop coming after us!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIDS, Global Warming&#8230;they just won&#8217;t stop coming after us!!</p>
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		<title>By: L Nettles</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95107</link>
		<dc:creator>L Nettles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming is not caused in any significant degree by humans and it&#039;s not happening now anyway.

Jim Clyburn is my congressman and I am not being well represented. 

I just wish they would require this test for any proposed global warming remedy.

Will the proposed remedy hurt a Haitian farmer  less than it hurts Al Gore?  If it can&#039;t pass that test its no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming is not caused in any significant degree by humans and it&#8217;s not happening now anyway.</p>
<p>Jim Clyburn is my congressman and I am not being well represented. </p>
<p>I just wish they would require this test for any proposed global warming remedy.</p>
<p>Will the proposed remedy hurt a Haitian farmer  less than it hurts Al Gore?  If it can&#8217;t pass that test its no good.</p>
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		<title>By: Mwalimu Daudi</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mwalimu Daudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all racism. Everything. The water. The trees. The grass. The very air. Molecules and atoms. A racist conspiracy from the beginning. Racist ... racist ... &lt;i&gt;racist!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all racism. Everything. The water. The trees. The grass. The very air. Molecules and atoms. A racist conspiracy from the beginning. Racist &#8230; racist &#8230; <i>racist!</i></p>
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		<title>By: The Marshian Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95105</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marshian Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the Weather Hate Blacks? </description>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/07/31/the-weather-doesnt-like-black-people/comment-page-1/#comment-95104</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are REALLY going too far; lurching into complete ridiculousness. People aren&#039;t really falling for this stuff, are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are REALLY going too far; lurching into complete ridiculousness. People aren&#8217;t really falling for this stuff, are they?</p>
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