John McCain on November 4

I agree with your post, but I have several strong reasons why I can’t vote John McCain. What am I suppose to do as a Christian when I agree with the abortion/homosexuality issue but completely disagree with other issues?

Amen La Shawn!

I’m getting so much heat from my family members because I don’t want to take part in history for voting a Black man into office. The two biggest factors for me are like yours, pro-life and protecting traditional marriage.

McCain won me over when he appeared on the Ellen Degeneres show a while back and calmly answered her about what he believes marriages should be – between one man and one woman. That took gumption and that let me know he wasn’t going to let a popular talk-show host sway him one bit!

So yes, the overall enthusiasm for these candidates is a bit down for me, but my pastor always says, “Vote God” and my consciousness has me leaning toward McCain because so far he’s not wavering on important spiritual issues.

I do like Obama’s community involvement in spite of the ridicule he’s received from it, but I just feel he’s a closet “black racist” because of his 20 year association with a Black Liberation Theology teaching church. His theology could affect his politics quite negatively for all Americans! I just dont’ trust him.

So for now, it’s McCain for me and has been for awhile. Palin on the ticket doesn’t sway me one way or the other. I still feel she needs to be home and manage those kids!

Thank you for this post. There are members in my church who are crazy about Obama and they love him.

I don’t care for him and I have told people that I don’t give a hoot what his skin color is. Yes, it would be nice to see a black man in office, but I remind myself that when the shock and awe of his skin color fades, the country still needs a strong leader in this day and time and I don’t think Obama would be a strong leader for this country.

There are many issues I have with him and it shocks me that some Christians like him. I do wonder if they really researched his views and ideals or are they just excited because his skin color is brown.

I believe I will be forwarding the link of this blog to my fellow sisters and brothers in Christ who are for Obama.

These is arguably one of your best posts ever.

“Jesus Christ was a community organizer, pontius pilate was a governor.”

(wheelchair bound gov): “stand up, chuck.”
“hillary clinton is qualified to be president and she’s qualified to be vice president. quite frankly, she would’ve been a better pick.”

these two are the gift that keeps on giving, much like john “i voted for the 87B before i voted against it” kerry.

Is it refreshing that La Shawn does not see skin colour….I wish that could be said for 50 or less years ago. That a person was judged by his skin colour first.

I’m not voting for Obama I’m voting against McCain and Palin. First time in my life I’ve not voted Republican for President.

I’m also voting for the seperation of Church and State. To do otherwise is dangerous beyond belief. Religious intolerance has no place in these United States and I’m afraid that’s where we’re heading…if you’re not Christain you have no place or voice here. That’s the whisper under the voices that I’m hearing now and that’s not what I believe in!

To those who think we’ll have to answer to God for supporting Obama then I feel sorry for you and forgive you. You might want to examine your support of McCain/Bush (one in the same)…perhaps consider those thousands killed due to lies and an unjust war. That same almighty justice might apply to you as well.

I don’t get all this rant about killing unborn and being a Christian. To me, Christians who vote for Obama reconcile with his position of pro-choice the same way Christians supporters who vote for McCain and his death penalty position.

And you can try to rationalize all you want about the death penalty, but the commandment is clear, and true Christians and church leaders don’t waiver on “Thou Shall Not Kill.”

You might also want to come to the understanding about the difference between Biblical precepts we are individually supposed to adhere to, and the Biblical mandate for government. Check Romans 13:1-7. Verse 4 in particular can be applied to the death penalty question.

The “Christian theocracy” argument is such idiocy it barely deserves a response. But I will say that there is nothing, nada, zero evidence to support the idea that a McCain/Palin admin would establish some Church/state union. With this paranoid mentality running through half the populace, some of our greatest leaders never would have made it into office…

As for the reason for Christian accountability coming out of the ballot box – if I vote someone into office that eventually does something I disagree with based on my Christian principles, I can’t be held responsible. If someone I vote for TELLS me he’s going to do or advocate a position opposed to my Christian beliefs (and has demonstrated it), I am knowingly participating in that sin.

Sorry folks, but these things don’t work the way you like to say they do.

OBAMA SUPPORTS GAY DEPRAVITY
(& supports the “rights” of youngsters to view it!)

Google “Zombietime” and land on “Up Your Alley Fair.” After recovering from the uncensored photos, Yahoo “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” on the “ucmpage” listing (even Jesus told Judas to hurry up – John 13:27). Also Yahoo “Dangerous Radicals of the Religious Right.” Remember: Gaydom’s agenda is to sneak its depravity on to every Main Street on earth in front of children while decent folks stay asleep and do nothing! Here is a new pro-life slogan: “Unborn children should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes etc.!” Still shocked, Sue

(Obama and his public-porn-protecting collaborators, Pelosi and Newsom, did NOT approve of this message.)

“….death penalty and abortion don’t carry the same moral weight..”

—of course because Christians tailor the bible to their personal taste.

“….Romans 13:1-7. Verse 4 in particular can be applied to the death penalty question.”

—-nice try, but it doesn’t specify punishment as killing a “guilty” life. Trust me, the biblical scholars are not torn over this issue.

And it’s nice to know that we share the same death policy with other countries like Iraq, Iran, Pakistan and Libya…to name a few.

Hey LaShawn! When did you turn back to political blogging? If I had known, I would have been back long before now. I’ve missed your blog.

I am not excited about any of the candidates, but Obama/Biden scare me to death, mainly with regard to national security. McCain/Palin are not ideal, but I do believe them to be principled people whose values mostly line up with mine.

It’s going to be an interesting election. I have been living in Israel for the past 4 years and we are coming back in just a few days to America. People are predicting riots if Obama loses (and riots if he wins). Now Wall Street has just had a crash of sorts. My friends tell me food prices have hiked up 50% on some products, and that illegals are invading our state and city. I honestly don’t know what the heck I’m gonna find! It sure doesn’t sound good. But I will be going to the voting booth on Nov 4 to pull the lever for McCain/Palin!

Thomas: I understand that line of argument. I think divorce is more detrimental, though. If it wasn’t so easy for people to get divorced, then the issue of same-sex marriage wouldn’t even be raised. Now, those seeking it can easily say, “How am I making a mockery of marriage when Britney Spears can get married for 30 minutes in Vegas?” and make a good point.

I think that if Christians want to protect the family, the first thing they need to do is find some way to limit the number of divorces amongst them (and amongst society in general). But no one hardly ever thinks that way (very likely because Evangelical Christians have a very high divorce rate, and that’s what you call hypocritical).

Jay,

The problem between comparing the divorce issue and the gay marriage issue is that no one is actively and aggressively advocating divorce to be accepted as a cultural virtue. The 30 minute Vegas wedding is still a cultural anomaly most decent people regard as a mockery. The gay marriage agenda intends to equate homo- and heterosexual relationships in the culture.

As much as they would like you to believe it’s about the rights and privileges that are automatic with a marriage license, there are no impediments to any person or GROUP of people to create a legal arrangement that does about the same thing. In fact, there is no added value in California of their ‘marriage’ certificates but for the STATEMENT that it makes.

The Christians I know that disagree with gay marriage, don’t think gay couples should be denied things like hospital visitation. In fact, Sarah Palin vetoed a bill that would have denied state benefits to gay couples even as she stood for a constitutional marriage amendment.

The gay marriage issue is a cultural battle, not one about rights.

I disagree with your comparison of size (divorce having a greater effect on culture than gay marriage), but I understand the ultimate point. They are both issues that should concern Christians. But there are major differences in the way these things can be approached. Divorce is not a Federal issue the way gay marriage is and therefore not an issue for a Presidential election. That’s a simple one. States regulate how divorces operate and, frankly, I’m at a loss as to exactly how the state might regulate them without creating a ridiculous intrusion of government.

As to the rights issue, my contention is that there are other legal methods, besides a marriage license or having to sue, to gain them. Power of attorney is simple to grant and would provide instant access to hospital rooms, signing authority and all sorts of things. Beneficiary status can be acquired in a Trust. You can buy these things online. For all the money being spent trying to sue governments, someone could invest it with the same law firm to create a legal vehicle valid in all 50 states that encapsulates all these things.

I stand by my assertion, they (aggressive gay activists, since you missed my reference the first time and took offense) want cultural approval and have turned to government to demand it.

Why I Cannot Vote for Barack Obama

By Robert Oliver

Yes I’m a Black man, and I won’t vote for Barack Obama for President of the United States.

Today I saw on the Internet an editorial cartoon that was originally published in the Chicago Sun-Times. It had God, Senator Obama, and a baby. God was touching the baby’s forefinger. Obama stands behind the baby and holds a sign that says “LIVE BIRTH ABORTION.” Obama screams at God: YOU KEEP OUT OF THIS!” Suddenly everything made sense to me, maybe not by words to God, but by actions — actions which speak much louder than words. By his actions Obama says a lot, both to God and to Christians.

In a Human Events article “Obama More Pro-Choice Than NARAL” by Amanda B. Carpenter, December 26. 2006 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18647), she writes: “In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.

“Both the Illinois and the federal bill sought equal treatment for babies who survived premature inducement for the purpose of abortion and wanted babies who were born prematurely and given live-saving medical attention.

“When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, ‘Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act … floor debate served to clarify the bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v. Wade or a woman’s right to choose.’

“But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted ‘present.’ At the second he voted ‘no.’

“The bill was then referred to the senate’s Health and Human Services Committee, which Obama chaired after the Illinois Senate went Democratic in 2003. As chairman, he never called the bill up for a vote.

“Jill Stanek, a registered delivery-ward nurse who was the prime mover behind the legislation after she witnessed aborted babies’ being born alive and left to die, testified twice before Obama in support of the Induced Infant Liability Act bills. She also testified before the U.S. Congress in support of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act.

“Stanek told me her testimony ‘did not faze’ Obama.

“In the second hearing, Stanek said, ‘I brought pictures in and presented them to the committee of very premature babies from my neonatal resuscitation book from the American Pediatric Association, trying to show them unwanted babies were being cast aside. Babies the same age were being treated if they were wanted!’

“’And those pictures didn’t faze him [Obama] at all,’ she said.

“At the end of the hearing, according to the official records of the Illinois State senate, Obama thanked Stanek for being ‘very clear and forthright,’ but said his concern was that Stanek had suggested ‘doctors really don’t care about children who are being born with a reasonable prospect of life because they are so locked into their pro-abortion views that they would watch an infant that is viable die.’ He told her, ‘That may be your assessment, and I don’t see any evidence of that. What we are doing here is to create one more burden on a woman and I can’t support that.’”

This man who wants to be President of the United States would allow survivors of botched abortions to die when they could have been given life support. That is cold and heartless, isn’t it? I ask Christians, is that the attitude that God is pleased with? Can God smile on that? Proverbs 31:8 says: “Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.” I would say that describes those babies left to die, those babies that Obama would allow to die. One woman said that God brought Obama this far not to let him down. Do you seriously think God anointed and appointed such a man like that with a heart and a character to let those deaths of infants continue? There is a word for it – infanticide.

Can God bless infanticide? Does God bless infanticide? Is it “Suffer the little children” or “Let the little children suffer”? Which one did Jesus Christ say? I forget. Help me out with that one.

On the subject of Jesus, I saw another article on World Net Daily called “Why Jesus Would Not Vote for Barack Obama” (http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=37080) in which the above-mentioned nurse Jill Stanek wrote: “In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama’s wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the ‘alarming news’ that “right-wing politicians” had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.

(What a lovely picture that makes. What did I say about “let the little children suffer”?)

“Michelle called partial-birth abortion ‘a legitimate medical procedure,’ and wouldn’t supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against ‘cynical ploy[s]’ to stop it?”

Stanek continues: “As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide.

“Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

“BAIPA sailed through the U.S. Senate by unanimous vote. Even Sens. Clinton, Kennedy and Kerry agreed a mother’s right to ‘choose’ stopped at her baby’s delivery.

“The bill also passed overwhelmingly in the House. NARAL went neutral on it. Abortion enthusiasts publicly agreed that fighting BAIPA would appear extreme. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.

“But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.”

That was a good thing.

The article “Obama’s Abortion Extremism” in the April 2, 2008 edition of the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html ) says: “But Obama’s record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion — a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called ‘too close to infanticide.’ Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be ‘punished with a baby’ because of a crisis pregnancy — hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life.”

It really boggles my mind that people who say they are Christians will vote for him.

It is bad enough that Obama is “pro-choice,” which is a euphemism for pro-abortion.

Ever since 1973, seventeen million Black babies have been destroyed in the womb and disposed of. In 1977, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sr. said that abortion is “genocide against the Black race.” (FYI: Go to http://www.blackgenocide.org.) In 1984, he flip-flopped on that issue for some reason.

Every day over 1200 Black babies are being aborted, with no outcries from “Black Leadership,” especially Barack Obama. Did you know that abortion is largest cause of death in the black community today? Is it any wonder that as a whole, that as a “minority” group, Hispanics have passed Blacks in population? Our numbers are dwindling. And who is allowing that to happen? (The Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nations are not complaining about that. They would complain if we were saving our babies instead of killing them. At the rate we are going we will put them out of business because we are doing their job for them, aren’t we? They may picket and protest us for taking their jobs away.)

Let the little children suffer, right?

Many Blacks will vote for Obama simply because he is Black. They want to see a Black man in the White House which is fine and good. But what kind of Black man do we want there? It is the color of the skin or the content of character that is more important? Did we really believe what Martin Luther King, Jr. said or did we not? Let’s be real. To Christians I ask is having a Black man in the White House more important than the lives of babies, including Black babies? Is having a Black man in the White House more important than moral principles based on God’s Word? What is more important to you: Black Pride or God’s Word? Which one would God want you to choose? (See Proverbs 31:8 again or remember Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”) You know this world is under the influence of two entities: God and the Devil. If you choose Black Pride and reject God’s Word, who have you really chosen by default? When Black Pride directly opposes God’s Word, which one do you feel will win over the other? And rejecting God’s Word is pure hell for Black folks, isn’t it?

Here is what Rev. Wayne Perryman (www.wayneperryman.com), author (Unfounded Loyalty and What the Media Failed to Tell American Voters), says about the subject:

“Most of the intelligent/informed blacks know that the entire abortion program was sold to the general public during the height of the civil rights movement. It was a time when both the general population and Congress were sensitive to the struggles of blacks and women, so it was the perfect time for the pro-choice advocates to play the race card. They did so by emphasizing that poor blacks did not have the funds to obtain abortions like many of their white counterparts; consequently many were forced to go to places that were unsafe and unregulated.

“Congress ignored the fact, that as a race, African Americans were never interested in aborting their children. It was not unusual for blacks to have as many as ten or more children to work the family farm (often as sharecroppers). Other siblings found other odd jobs to help supplement their family’s income. Large families meant more laborers to share the workload. Even during the hardship of slavery, blacks never aborted their children. Blacks also believed that abortions were biblically wrong. Nevertheless, by making abortions a woman’s rights issue and a racial issue, the proponents of abortions gained public and congressional support.

“Their support also helped Margaret Sanger fulfill her dream of reducing the portion of the population that she referred to as: “the unfit,” meaning African Americans. Sanger is credited with starting Planned Parenthood and the “Negro Project,” a program to reduce the black population in America. The supporters of Obama who feel that the abortion issue is not that important, should consider the following:

* Isn’t it strange that Planned Parenthood, the agency that supports abortions and birth control, is the same agency that was started by Margaret Sanger, the same woman who started the Negro Project; which was the same project designed to control the birth rate of African Americans – because she felt blacks were inferior?

* Isn’t it strange that Congress seems to have unlimited funds to give to young black mothers to kill their babies (through abortions), but it struggles to find funds for pre-natal care if they decide to let their baby live? How can blacks support a candidate who is willing to provide unlimited funds to kill them (seventeen million black babies since Roe v. Wade), but is hard pressed to find health care funds to help heal them?

* Intelligent blacks present the question this way: Under the banner that a woman has the right to choose, why is it that the government has unlimited funds to help the black baby die, but has limited health care funds to help the baby live?

* It is estimated that the government has spent billions to kill the seventeen million black babies (since Roe V. Wade). This is why concerned blacks ask: Why did the government decide to fund abortions? Was it out of the concern for the poor black mother, or was it to slow down the birth rate of African Americans due to Afro-phobia? Had those seventeen million babies lived during the past thirty-four years and each had two children of their own, the black population in America would be close to ninety million, thus making it the largest ethnic minority voting group in America?

* How can blacks condemn Jim Crow and Klan for killing thousands of blacks, and yet support a candidate that defends a program that killed 17 million blacks?

* Do blacks find is strange that the same party that supported the slavery, Jim Crow and the Ku Klux Klan is the same party that supports the killing of black babies?

“In the debates on abortions, they often fail to mention that both Oprah Winfrey’s mother and Jesse Jackson’s mother were teens when they became pregnant, and because of their unique situation, they had every excuse to abort their child – but chose not to?

“Blacks must always remember that all of their great leaders, from Jesus to Jackie Robinson, came through the womb of a woman. The womb of the woman is the only pathway to life. We must cherish it, protect it, and honor it, recognizing that it is the gateway that God uses to deliver His diversity of gifts to mankind. Therefore, African Americans should never support any candidate, whether they be black or white or Democrat or Republican, that endorses a system that has killed and will continue to kill over 17 million blacks.”

Let the little children suffer.

Of course I would like to see a Black man as President of the United States. I’m African American. This is America. Blacks have made many strides American society. One of us should have the most important job in the United States as well as being a recognized leader on this earth.

However, this time around my vote will not go to Barack Obama. He has been weighed in the balance, character-wise, and was found wanting.

I just saw a news report that the world wants Obama as President.

I do not.

Robert Oliver is a writer, photographer, and a radio commentator in Southern California. Email interactionswest@gmail.com

I sure do appreciate your wisdom La Shawn and I continue to be bewildered why the vast majority of Black Americans continue to support the party of Abortion and the Gay Agenda???

According to Thomas Sowell, roughly 35 percent of Black Americans hold to conservative views yet they continue en masse to vote for the Dems??

Yes, I understand way in the past the Dems did some good things for Black Americans….but we are now in the present…and what good do the Dems offer Black or White Americans and all others???

I agree, as a Christian, the Abortion and Gay issues are Deal breakers right off the front…I cannot support anyone that supports such evil….and if that means all the candidates support this filth, then I cannot vote…

I simply do not understand how so many professing Black Christians in America can go ahead and vote Dem? It is terribly confusing..

Before we are Black, White or Brown or any other color, the Christian belongs to Christ….he is our master and it is he whom we obey….

I am well aware of McCain’s shortcomings…he is far far far far from perfect…but in democracy, in many cases you have to choose the best alternative…

I am happy that a Black Man like Obama is having such success….but I will never vote based on one’s color but his/her positions…and his positions are sickening on Abortion and the Gay Agenda…that is all I need to know…

Take Care!

Thank you Robert Oliver. I would like to pass your post along to my “christian” friends to help explain why even though I was raised in a feminist, leftist home I could not even consider voting for Obama. Do you have a website?

And by the way, because of the gay marriage issue I WON’T be voting for Obama, because he’s already promised to do away with the DOMA, Defense of Marriage Act, if he becomes president. And he was a part of a church system that ordained homosexuals.

Jay, thanks for your correction. That was meant to refer back to “hr”. My goof!

That type of persecution has already begun Jay. People aren’t free to express their disagreements regarding gay marriages and there is already documented evidence supporting those incidents.

I see that you’ve already responded on my blog, so I’ll provide you those links instead of getting off topic here on La Shawn’s site. I’ll be responding to your comments later today. Back to work for now!

As a Christian, I also know that God said He hates a liar and McCain has been lying up a storm. LOL! This moral relativism is really depressing and Christians all over this world better stop playing games with God. He will not be mocked. God is neither a Repub or a Dem, so no one has the right to judge how people vote. To the black folks who love to proclaim how they do not follow the “crowd” like other black folks, your are just following another crowd. Get over yourselves.

“Blacks must always remember that all of their great leaders, from Jesus to Jackie Robinson, came through the womb of a woman. ”

Robert comes on a blog with mostly white conservative Christians on it, and you write THAT?

The problem with polls like those is that they FORCE the respondent to classify an entire race based on anecdotal evidence. And, regardless of any true feelings one way or the other, the respondent is then forced into a bigoted position.

Think of it this way: a white, rural man who has only seen black people as depicted on TV is asked, “Do you characterize black people as…” inserting various adjectives. His only basis for his opinion is what has been fed to him through the media. His answers, then, will simply show what he has been fed.

What I find most interesting is, based on the majority of my own most recent experiences, I might very well answer these questions counter intuitively to my race. As a landlord, I’ve encountered more lazy, undependable, law-breaking, complaining and irresponsible black people than I ever imagined while growing up in a family full of the opposite.