I’m talking spiritual matters that only the Holy Spirit can do, and you’re talking about the flesh.

And LaShawn asked

What do you think of the lazy-and-irresponsible stereotype (a conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image)?

So THEBIGDODDY tells us what only the Holy Spirit can do and rails at “talking about the flesh.”

I was once an intelligent person. But this is making me stupid. I surrender. But I will still strive to treat all races and ethnic groups with respect and brotherly love without regard to their race or ethnic group. Even if that is something only the Holy Spirit can do. Ooops. I’m feeling a bit more stupid.

What you write makes perfect sense, JB.

This is what I’ve been talking about..

“1 Corinthians 2:12-14

12 And we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit that is from Elohim, in order to know what Elohim has favourably given us,

13 which we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Set-apart Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual matters with spiritual matters.”

**People at odds with one another is not a government matter or a partisan matter, it’s a spiritual matter. And spiritual people MUST put their partisan prejudices aside, if they are walking in HIS spirit or even HAVE His spirit dwelling on the inside, to even discuss it.

As well..

“14 But the natural man does not receive the matters of the Spirit of Elohim, for they are foolishness to him, and he is unable to know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

**Which is where I got off myself. I assumed you knew I was talking about it from a spiritual point of view, even though you perhaps assumed nothing spiritual about my style. That’s quite understandable.

“15 But he who is spiritual discerns indeed all matters, but he himself is discerned by no one.

16 For “Who has known the mind of Yahweh? Who shall instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Messiah.”

The mind of Christ GIRDS us when PRACTICAL matters stall. And it’s the spirit of the Almighty that lets us know that it’s time to look DEEPER into why things have stalled.

YOUR approach is a great approach, but don’t assume my approach isn’t the same. What I’ve been inveighing here is not me in totality. I agree that compassion isn’t nearly as much about giving a hand out, but it’s PUTTING a hand out. It’s up to the other person to get up, reach up, out or around, or whatever to take that hand. I don’t play THAT either.

Kee in mind, Y’Shua said “come”, he didn’t say “stay right there, and I’ll come take care of you..poor baby”. That’s not gospel.

Remember, we are both conservatives…we are just different kinds of conservatives. I’m a Network Engineer by trade, and a Bible teacher by calling. I know when it’s time to use a velvet glove, and a time to use a skillet.

I think I understand you a lot more JB, and I know that Father Yahweh is please by that; and that’s really ALL that matters.

We have to compare spiritual THOUGHTS, WORDS, and DEEDS, with the same.

And what, pray tell, of the spiritual & supernatural thing that is aka Satan, lord and master of the principalities under Heaven (Eph 6:12)? “Bad” relations between races & ethnic groups are but another tool that the angel of light uses to deflect focus from Christ.

So far, seems to me that you have a beef with infidelity to the exclusion of bona-fide fruits of the Spirit (Gal 5:22 & Eph 5:9). Even the unbelievers know a thing or two about fidelity, to whit, King Abimelech when he sought after Abraham’s “sister”. So fidelity to one’s spouse(s) is not much of a mark of the Christian.

(As an aside, interesting that God stopped Abimelech from taking Sarah, but didn’t stop Abraham and Hagar. So now we have to deal with the modern day Arabs & Islamofascists — chew on that)

Come to think of it TBD, the cadence of your incoherent rhyme and reason brings me to mind of a troll or two that used to haunt this corner a couple of years back. You selectively flit from one vague meme to another without laying one concrete thot that can be tried and tested scripturally.

Instead of addressing the merits of the subject at hand, you expend your time attacking people you don’t even know. When marginally challenged, you hide behind claims of age, maturity, wisdom or some mystic To-Be-ology.

You name-drop the Bereans, yet you babble on like a fool with hardly a shred of logic.

If you’re really older than Helio, myself and some others, then you’re senile. In fact, the way you come across the screen, you’re more apt to be a prepubescent teen tossing out canards. In either case, you’re a poseur.

When called out, you wiggle out with the typical lame dodge: “…but this isn’t really the place for that, but I can if you’d like.”

Really? Bring. It. On.

To quote one old lady; “Where’s the beef?

Until then, I’m going to ignore your new-age psychobabble.

Over a period of time, I have found myself wondering what I have said that gave you whatever impression of my views that you seem to have. One of your comments above illuminated something for me.

You said, “I’m talking spiritual matters that only the Holy Spirit can do, and you’re talking about the flesh.”

I thought it worthwhile to clarify something.

Often, I am focused upon microeconomics while you emphasize compassion and spirituality.

Yet, I cannot help but think that spirituality has to be translated into a real world metrics. Compassion has to be compassionate. So often, those who love others a lot, do things that hurt others a lot.

Where we are missing the boat is that I assume compassion as the baseline for my comments.

Meanwhile, I do not care to make assumptions about the baseline for others and simply take their comments as written. I no more want to be the repository for all that is negative among fiscal conservatives than I imagine any liberal wants to be the repository for those on the fringes.

Meanwhile, I am focused upon the practicalities and don’t take the time to say the lofty stuff. In a way, I feel that constantly reaffirming my “love for my fellow man” would be embarassingly preening.

I also draw a huge distinction between wanting to do good and knowing how to do good.

I see that my failure to articulate my ultimate goals has created an unfortunate impression.

For me, it has always been far more important to examine what a man does than what a man says.

Meanwhile, I spent decades overseas working with the poor, always from a perspective that was market based.

So, when I am criticising policy or statements that I view as mistaken, it cannot be inferred that I am ying-yanging against the poor or the downtrodden. I have been in those shoes too much of my life to go down that road.

I am ying-yanging against poor policy or flawed statements.

Does this make any sense to you?

I’m talking spiritual matters that only the Holy Spirit can do, and you’re talking about the flesh.

As such it’s obvious why we disagree on matters of justice, mercy, and faith.

Plus, no one said anything about not buckling down and coping with people of different persuasions, but OBVIOUSLY it doesn’t work for people as well as it should, right?

And my whole point is that so-called believers shouldn’t be in the flesh when dealing with such matters, because the flesh is at enmity with Father Yahweh. If it weren’t then we would not have as many issues as we do.

My view is that spirit filled people don’t struggle with offending or not offending or being named amongst those who would be accused of such things because they know how to treat people.

As far as your objection to the supernatural aspects of loving your neighbor, I can’t address it, because it’s not one of those things that’s debatable. If you want to give people a pass on mistreating people who are different than they are, that’s on you. But I don’t play that, and I will talk about people who DO play that.

And it appears that’s where folks dissent with me, sir.

It’s a spiritual, supernatural thing to be able to love people regardless of their persuasion, and not only love them, be mature enough not to say ANYTHING stupid and out of pocket in ANY context.

I guess that “speechless” would be my reaction to that one.

I said it’s not the topic, it’s the spirit of the people doing the talking. Americans don’t know jack about how to reconcile ethnic differences. It’s a spiritual, supernatural thing to be able to love people regardless of their persuasion, and not only love them, be mature enough not to say ANYTHING stupid and out of pocket in ANY context.

Since people can’t do that, it’s an accursed conversation, as opposed to a blessing that gives honor to Father Yahweh’s design.

CL says:

“hum…well then just who were you comparing them to ? You OUGHT to be comparing them to Obama(remeber him the One who wants be the most powerful man in the world). WHAT IS HIS EXPERIENCE ? man of 57 states.”

TBD:

Should you two cats be at Band Practice or something..?

Hey, I never said he had enough experience to be President. Ah..the gaffe.. don’t they ALL make them though. Gaffes are easy to pick up and pick on. Good one.

CL:

“Speaking of talking points liberals always like to evade real issues and skirt them under a veil false pontification.”

TBD:

“False pontification”? What’s that? I’m not talking about Liberals. I’m talking about how conservatives are. Are you a liberal? I know I’m not. What?

CL:

“The point here is a black man may well make an excellent president just as any other man of color would.”

TBD:

What??

CL:

“the point is THIS “One” WON’T.”

TBD:

Never said he would. I’m not voting for him, so.. okay.

CL:
“And teh point is JUST because he IS black is not a reason for 90% of black voters to vote for him.”

TBD:

I could explain why that is, but it would go over your head. Not to mention that the 90% figure is probably kinda high and is just another number thrown around by white conservatives to make non-whites look stupid and tribalist. Get that crap outta here. Americans are tribalist, bigoted, and lawless all around. You can’t pin that on people just because they have found novelty in the first black Presidential nominee. Get some maturity and perspective. This is all going to wear off. Stop believing everything you read on the blogs. Adopt a pet or something.

CL:

“Quite frankly the impression one might get is that as long as the man is black he could be a dog catcher and some would vote for him. Let’s not care about destroying the country with a socialist/ marxist agenda lets just get a brother in. And THAT is racism at its highest.”

TBD:

It’s not racism, but it sure is stupid – I’ll give you that, but as I said before.. get some historical (not nostalgic) perspective, and you’ll learn empathy in the process.

Things are not always what they seem, and sometimes they are quite simple.

Andy:

“As was King David & murderer to boot, so what’s the point? We’ve all railed on McVain for his faults and ideology, as we have on any other candidate. As long as we have the right & power to vote, it is our prerogative and duty to put each candidate thru the wringer”

TBD:

It’s your prerogrative…okay, let’s put that statement up as a sticky note, shall we?

Andy:

“Until Palin came on the scene, I was prepared to write in either Barr or Mickey Mouse. She has her issues, but I could live with President Palin over Obambi any day.”

TBD:

Okey dokey, my young Christian buddy. Obambi, huh?

Andy:

“Always ready to defend the faith. Obambi can’t, because he’s manifestly not even a “babe”, let alone a Berean — 2 Tim 2:15.”

TBD:

Oh yes he is.. and so are you. You’re very young all around, dude.

Andy:

“Speaking of which, I await for any one Berean-quality pearl of wisdom to fall out from your scribblings.”

TBD:

Young. I’ve quoted and know more scriptures in context than you or anybody you know, dude. I’ve put them up selectively, but this isn’t really the place for that, but I can if you’d like.

Andy:

“I think most of us are aware that even the most heathen can be annoited of God to rule. It’s one thing if a so-so, or weak Christian runs for elected office and we take him as is. It’s another thing for a supposed christian to allow messianic comparisons to be attributed to him by the unwashed masses, and even deign to speak for the Saints — yet none can point to even one fruit of his christianity.”

TBD:

I can. Fidelity. (But I’m sure you don’t believe that, right?)

Andy:

“That then raises an important question. If the “messiah” is not of Christ, then who is he? The foretold Antichrist? All that charisma and hype, certainly gives credence to the latter. However, with all prophecies considered, he’s not likely to be THE Antichrist, but Obambi sure is doing a bang-up job of being a little antichrist. Perhaps a trial run for the stooge, before Satan brings out his puppet.”

TBD:

That’s very clever and snide, but baseless. Those are all your talking points and hold not spiritual bearing or validation. Saying Senator Obama is the anti-Messiah is giving him waaay more credit than he deserves. When the son of perdition rears his head, you’ll know it. Well, maybe you won’t.

Andy:

Finally, the color of your skin means nothing in God’s eyes, you and I are just souls in the mist of time. So why do you insist on looking thru Satan’s lens of divisiveness?

TBD:

I don’t insist on looking at anything the way you frame it, neither do I stand complicit in any of the workings of haSatan. Do you even know who the Adversary is, Andy? That’s YOUR filter, for if you even dug or understood the message I’ve been sending, you wouldn’t even be hollering that mess out. You are out of your league, bro.

Andy:

“For me, it doesn’t matter if Obambi is purple and from the North Pole, my distaste for him centers on his piggish record (abortion, hanging out with crooks and terrorists, and his Marxist-Alinksy philosophy) tarted up with pseudo-christian lipstick.”

TBD:

You have a great sense of humor though. I have a lot more respect for you than I do some of the other closet racialists up in here. Great response, bro.

hum…well then just who were you comparing them to ? You OUGHT to be comparing them to Obama(remeber him the One who wants be the most powerful man in the world). WHAT IS HIS EXPERIENCE ? man of 57 states . Speaking of talking points liberals always like to evade real issues and skirt them under a veil false pontification.
The point here is a black man may well make an excellent president just as any other man of color would. the point is THIS “One” WON’T.
And teh point is JUST because he IS black is not a reason for 90% of black voters to vote for him. Quite frankly the impression one might get is that as long as the man is black he could be a dog catcher and some would vote for him. Let’s not care about destroying the country with a socialist/ marxist agenda lets just get a brother in. And THAT is racism at its highest.

Andy says: “How long” one has been saved has no bearing on maturity in flesh & spirit, hence the useage of seniority. I seem to recall a recent post where TBD claimed to be more mature/understanding due to seniority. If you want the gist of the breadth and depth of my maturity & understanding, then peruse LaShawn’s archives as far back as you may care to go — Search term “Andy” is a good start

Crux of TBD’s paras 2 & 3: “No matter the venue for that type of lasciviousness, they are/were both adulterers.”

Andy: As was King David & murderer to boot, so what’s the point? We’ve all railed on McVain for his faults and ideology, as we have on any other candidate. As long as we have the right & power to vote, it is our prerogative and duty to put each candidate thru the wringer.

Until Palin came on the scene, I was prepared to write in either Barr or Mickey Mouse. She has her issues, but I could live with President Palin over Obambi any day.

Crux of TBD’s paras 4-6: “you should be prepared to defend that as well.”

Andy: Always ready to defend the faith. Obambi can’t, because he’s manifestly not even a “babe”, let alone a Berean — 2 Tim 2:15. Speaking of which, I await for any one Berean-quality pearl of wisdom to fall out from your scribblings.

TBD: “Go by what you know of SCRIPTURE first, (Not a heathen liberal/conservative talking point. In fact, if they aren’t saved – just don’t even include them in the equation)”

Andy: I think most of us are aware that even the most heathen can be annoited of God to rule. It’s one thing if a so-so, or weak Christian runs for elected office and we take him as is. It’s another thing for a supposed christian to allow messianic comparisons to be attributed to him by the unwashed masses, and even deign to speak for the Saints — yet none can point to even one fruit of his christianity.

That then raises an important question. If the “messiah” is not of Christ, then who is he? The foretold Antichrist? All that charisma and hype, certainly gives credence to the latter. However, with all prophecies considered, he’s not likely to be THE Antichrist, but Obambi sure is doing a bang-up job of being a little antichrist. Perhaps a trial run for the stooge, before Satan brings out his puppet.

Finally, the color of your skin means nothing in God’s eyes, you and I are just souls in the mist of time. So why do you insist on looking thru Satan’s lens of divisiveness? For me, it doesn’t matter if Obambi is purple and from the North Pole, my distaste for him centers on his piggish record (abortion, hanging out with crooks and terrorists, and his Marxist-Alinksy philosophy) tarted up with pseudo-christian lipstick.